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		<title>By: Saint Gasoline</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2091</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Gasoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 13:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;You make some compelling arguments in the second half of your post, but the problem is that one of your foundational premises makes a philosophical mistake.

The problem with &#039;nothing&#039; in the riddle is that grammatically, it acts as a name. But semantically, it is nothing of the sort. And yet you treat it as a name of a particular entity. See a Philosophy of Language textbook for relevant explanations.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

The riddle is not a premise for my argument!  The riddle merely provides a joking sort of introduction to the post.  The joke revolves around the logical fallacy of reification.  When I say, &quot;Nothing is more satisfying than my penis&quot;, the humor comes from the ambiguity created by the reification of the word &quot;nothing&quot;.  It could mean &quot;My penis is more satisfying than anything&quot; or it could mean &quot;Women prefer the complete absence of anything to the presence of my penis.&quot;  I freely admit to being illogical there, but in the context of a joke, that&#039;s the whole point!

You&#039;ll note that through the rest of the post I am careful to describe God in terms of &quot;nothingness&quot; or &quot;the void&quot; or &quot;absence&quot; and do not equivocate between other uses of &quot;nothing&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;You make some compelling arguments in the second half of your post, but the problem is that one of your foundational premises makes a philosophical mistake.</p>
<p>The problem with &#8216;nothing&#8217; in the riddle is that grammatically, it acts as a name. But semantically, it is nothing of the sort. And yet you treat it as a name of a particular entity. See a Philosophy of Language textbook for relevant explanations.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>The riddle is not a premise for my argument!  The riddle merely provides a joking sort of introduction to the post.  The joke revolves around the logical fallacy of reification.  When I say, &#8220;Nothing is more satisfying than my penis&#8221;, the humor comes from the ambiguity created by the reification of the word &#8220;nothing&#8221;.  It could mean &#8220;My penis is more satisfying than anything&#8221; or it could mean &#8220;Women prefer the complete absence of anything to the presence of my penis.&#8221;  I freely admit to being illogical there, but in the context of a joke, that&#8217;s the whole point!</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll note that through the rest of the post I am careful to describe God in terms of &#8220;nothingness&#8221; or &#8220;the void&#8221; or &#8220;absence&#8221; and do not equivocate between other uses of &#8220;nothing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Honkadoodle</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1891</link>
		<dc:creator>Honkadoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No &quot;flaccid&quot; arguments meant; I am probably not as educated as quite a few of y&#039;all, I just like to wax philosophical sometimes.  Hey Saint, I added a link to your site from my livejournal blog, I hope you don&#039;t mind.  I wanted to email you to ask permission first, but couldn&#039;t find any kind of contact info for you.  That&#039;s why I decided to sneak my question into this comment section- it being older n all, not many would have to read it.  If you want me to remove the link, I will.  Let me know.

I like your last comment.  I have always believed that the more someone talks, the less he knows.  Guess I should shut up now, then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8220;flaccid&#8221; arguments meant; I am probably not as educated as quite a few of y&#8217;all, I just like to wax philosophical sometimes.  Hey Saint, I added a link to your site from my livejournal blog, I hope you don&#8217;t mind.  I wanted to email you to ask permission first, but couldn&#8217;t find any kind of contact info for you.  That&#8217;s why I decided to sneak my question into this comment section- it being older n all, not many would have to read it.  If you want me to remove the link, I will.  Let me know.</p>
<p>I like your last comment.  I have always believed that the more someone talks, the less he knows.  Guess I should shut up now, then.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Gasoline</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1868</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Gasoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that perhaps you&#039;ve misread the post, Erosophy.  I never claimed this is a &quot;disproof&quot; of God.  Rather, my case is that theologians are not saying anything meaningful when they talk of &quot;God&quot; because it has no real qualities after it has been rendered mystical and transcendant.  So ironically, I&#039;m actually using the philosophy of language you mention to show that theologians are talking a lot of rot, not to &quot;prove&quot; that God does not exist.  Unlike a theologian, I don&#039;t think existential questions can be answered through logical proofs, and I don&#039;t see where you are getting this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that perhaps you&#8217;ve misread the post, Erosophy.  I never claimed this is a &#8220;disproof&#8221; of God.  Rather, my case is that theologians are not saying anything meaningful when they talk of &#8220;God&#8221; because it has no real qualities after it has been rendered mystical and transcendant.  So ironically, I&#8217;m actually using the philosophy of language you mention to show that theologians are talking a lot of rot, not to &#8220;prove&#8221; that God does not exist.  Unlike a theologian, I don&#8217;t think existential questions can be answered through logical proofs, and I don&#8217;t see where you are getting this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Erosophy</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1862</link>
		<dc:creator>Erosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forgive me--I read two of your posts and initially left this comment on your new strategy for atheism post.  It was meant as a comment on this post.

You make some compelling arguments in the second half of your post, but the problem is that one of your foundational premises makes a philosophical mistake.

The problem with “nothing”in the riddle is that grammatically, it acts as a name. But semantically, it is nothing of the sort. And yet you treat it as a name of a particular entity. See a Philosophy of Language textbook for relevant explanations.

Your entire post, unfortunately, is relegated to a heap of misguided, impertinent arguments because your initial premise is faulty. You want to disprove God’s existence, criticize the attributes traditionally ascribed to him, and be taken at least somewhat seriously. In that case, you’ll have to stop expounding on your body parts, showcasing your philosophical ineptitude, and vomiting flaccid arguments all over the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me&#8211;I read two of your posts and initially left this comment on your new strategy for atheism post.  It was meant as a comment on this post.</p>
<p>You make some compelling arguments in the second half of your post, but the problem is that one of your foundational premises makes a philosophical mistake.</p>
<p>The problem with “nothing”in the riddle is that grammatically, it acts as a name. But semantically, it is nothing of the sort. And yet you treat it as a name of a particular entity. See a Philosophy of Language textbook for relevant explanations.</p>
<p>Your entire post, unfortunately, is relegated to a heap of misguided, impertinent arguments because your initial premise is faulty. You want to disprove God’s existence, criticize the attributes traditionally ascribed to him, and be taken at least somewhat seriously. In that case, you’ll have to stop expounding on your body parts, showcasing your philosophical ineptitude, and vomiting flaccid arguments all over the web.</p>
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		<title>By: Honkadoodle</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1837</link>
		<dc:creator>Honkadoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 08:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice!  I do enjoy this type of discussion, but know I will argue a point into the ground even if I am irrevocably wrong, if only to get a heated argument initiated.  Just remember, reality in itself is a concept too.. hey, that flying bacon goddess exists in your world, Liew, and if you truly believe it, how can anyone convince you otherwise?  Maybe you&#039;ve smelled her?  Seen her?  Touched her?  But noone else has...  how do you prove she exists?  Call it the Snuffalupagus theory.  Noone can stand outside of their own conceptions.  You are reading these words right now, and you know that Honkadoodle wrote them...prove it!  Prove ANYTHING to be concrete, and you have proven that at least something is more than a concept in the first place.  You only know what you yourself perceive, therefore, all reality is a concept.

SO, since everything is a concept, all concepts must exist to an extent, right?  Or maybe nothing exists.  But nothing is a concept too, ha!

Am I still wearing blinders with this idea?  DO enlighten me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice!  I do enjoy this type of discussion, but know I will argue a point into the ground even if I am irrevocably wrong, if only to get a heated argument initiated.  Just remember, reality in itself is a concept too.. hey, that flying bacon goddess exists in your world, Liew, and if you truly believe it, how can anyone convince you otherwise?  Maybe you&#8217;ve smelled her?  Seen her?  Touched her?  But noone else has&#8230;  how do you prove she exists?  Call it the Snuffalupagus theory.  Noone can stand outside of their own conceptions.  You are reading these words right now, and you know that Honkadoodle wrote them&#8230;prove it!  Prove ANYTHING to be concrete, and you have proven that at least something is more than a concept in the first place.  You only know what you yourself perceive, therefore, all reality is a concept.</p>
<p>SO, since everything is a concept, all concepts must exist to an extent, right?  Or maybe nothing exists.  But nothing is a concept too, ha!</p>
<p>Am I still wearing blinders with this idea?  DO enlighten me.</p>
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		<title>By: Saint Gasoline</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1807</link>
		<dc:creator>Saint Gasoline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:09:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see that Engineer Poet and Liew have already answered for me, Honkadoodle, so I will refer you to their comments.

And to Jenny, thank you for validating my delusional belief that my penis is amazing.  In my infomercial, I will be sure to quote your approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that Engineer Poet and Liew have already answered for me, Honkadoodle, so I will refer you to their comments.</p>
<p>And to Jenny, thank you for validating my delusional belief that my penis is amazing.  In my infomercial, I will be sure to quote your approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Liew</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1790</link>
		<dc:creator>Liew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?&#039;

Yes, this &quot;nothing&quot; is indeed something. And that something is the freaking CONCEPT of nothing, nothing more, nothing less. It does indeed &#039;exist&#039;, but only as a freaking concept in our freaking minds, not in the sense that I think you&#039;re implying. That somehow just talking about something makes it a &#039;concrete thing&#039; instead of just a &#039;concept&#039;. Don&#039;t conflate the two. For example: I believe in the Flying Bacon Goddess. There. I just said &#039;Flying Bacon Goddess&#039;. Does that mean that a little girl in angel robes suddenly popped into existence flying around on a bacon rind? I. Think. Not. What it means that I just talked about a fictional concept called the &#039;Flying Bacon Goddess&#039;. That this fictional concept of a flying bacon goddess just came into existence. That is all. 

I think this concept was mercilessly parodied in Terry Pratchett&#039;s &#039;Hogfather&#039; where an overload of psychic energy or something like that cause things that previously only existed as myths and stuff pop into existence the second someone mentions them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?&#8217;</p>
<p>Yes, this &#8220;nothing&#8221; is indeed something. And that something is the freaking CONCEPT of nothing, nothing more, nothing less. It does indeed &#8216;exist&#8217;, but only as a freaking concept in our freaking minds, not in the sense that I think you&#8217;re implying. That somehow just talking about something makes it a &#8216;concrete thing&#8217; instead of just a &#8216;concept&#8217;. Don&#8217;t conflate the two. For example: I believe in the Flying Bacon Goddess. There. I just said &#8216;Flying Bacon Goddess&#8217;. Does that mean that a little girl in angel robes suddenly popped into existence flying around on a bacon rind? I. Think. Not. What it means that I just talked about a fictional concept called the &#8216;Flying Bacon Goddess&#8217;. That this fictional concept of a flying bacon goddess just came into existence. That is all. </p>
<p>I think this concept was mercilessly parodied in Terry Pratchett&#8217;s &#8216;Hogfather&#8217; where an overload of psychic energy or something like that cause things that previously only existed as myths and stuff pop into existence the second someone mentions them.</p>
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		<title>By: Honkadoodle</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1759</link>
		<dc:creator>Honkadoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 08:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What does that mean?  I won&#039;t lie, I looked up reification, and all it means is turning a concept into a concrete thing... aren&#039;t all things concepts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What does that mean?  I won&#8217;t lie, I looked up reification, and all it means is turning a concept into a concrete thing&#8230; aren&#8217;t all things concepts?</p>
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		<title>By: Engineer-Poet</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1757</link>
		<dc:creator>Engineer-Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;i&gt;The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;No, it doesn&#039;t; that&#039;s the fallacy of reification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><i>The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?</i></p></blockquote>
<p>No, it doesn&#8217;t; that&#8217;s the fallacy of reification.</p>
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		<title>By: Honkadoodle</title>
		<link>http://saintgasoline.com/2009/06/13/what-is-greater-than-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>
		<dc:creator>Honkadoodle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When folks speak of God, they often use the terms omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent.  These terms can be loosely translated as all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving.  All, all, all.  Sounds like God is defined as everything.  So, is nothing a part of everything?  I understand your concept- what(or who) do I know that is all-powerful? Nothing!  All-knowing? Nothing!  All-loving? You get the point.

“…I worship nothing, in the sense that I do not worship, whereas the theologian worships nothing, too, but in the sense that they go through the motions of worship directed at nothing in particular, toward some unknowable, transcendant nothing.”  The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?  It’s been a long time since I sat in a classroom, but I seem to recall a basic premise from Philosophy 101, in that simply thinking or speaking about something makes it exist.   The something you are talking about is “nothing,” granted, but you have placed a tag on it, therefore making it no longer nothing, if you catch my drift, heh.  Odd, I know.  Or perhaps just archaic.

Let me leave you with a thought:  can you know all without none, good without evil, joy without pain, success without failure etc etc.?  Yin-yang hippie shit, I know, but possibly relevant.  

So, Gas, since God is nothing, what is everything?  And please don’t say it’s your penis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When folks speak of God, they often use the terms omnipotent, omniscient, benevolent.  These terms can be loosely translated as all-powerful, all-knowing, all-loving.  All, all, all.  Sounds like God is defined as everything.  So, is nothing a part of everything?  I understand your concept- what(or who) do I know that is all-powerful? Nothing!  All-knowing? Nothing!  All-loving? You get the point.</p>
<p>“…I worship nothing, in the sense that I do not worship, whereas the theologian worships nothing, too, but in the sense that they go through the motions of worship directed at nothing in particular, toward some unknowable, transcendant nothing.”  The fact that you are talking about this “nothing” turns it into a something, wouldn’t you agree?  It’s been a long time since I sat in a classroom, but I seem to recall a basic premise from Philosophy 101, in that simply thinking or speaking about something makes it exist.   The something you are talking about is “nothing,” granted, but you have placed a tag on it, therefore making it no longer nothing, if you catch my drift, heh.  Odd, I know.  Or perhaps just archaic.</p>
<p>Let me leave you with a thought:  can you know all without none, good without evil, joy without pain, success without failure etc etc.?  Yin-yang hippie shit, I know, but possibly relevant.  </p>
<p>So, Gas, since God is nothing, what is everything?  And please don’t say it’s your penis.</p>
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